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mixing for tablets and phones' speakers = nightmare

these speakers are so terribly distorting and cannot reproduce anything below 300 or even 400 hz it's incredible. and feels like everything above 1500Hz is amplified +6 or +9dB. dohh

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@luka mixing for phone speakers sometimes feels like mixing for two cups on a string

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@luka Just out of curiosity: Why do you have to mix for this and can't leave this to mastering?

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@jayrope there's no budget for extra mastering. i can try landr tho but i doubt it will help in this respect. it's also something that needs to be balanced in the mix, mastering cannot fix number of problems such disparate range of outputs introduces...

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@luka I see. And why are your target players only mobile devices?

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@jayrope this is what target audience uses predominatly. also, if only it would be ONLY mobile devices. it's not, it's also desktop users with wide range of sound systems - some are - I presume - crap computer speakers, some are high end computer speakers.

btw, this is not music, it's a audio mix for video - it includes voiceovers, special effects/foley, and background music. everything should be balanced and not distorting but still the loudest possible. shitloads requirements.

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@luka Mixing on Linux or Windows/OSX? There i'd recommend to try a plugin called #DSEQ. If it's not about making a record, than this thing helps massively in regards to adjusting a mix to "malformed" end user devices. Beides that just imagine someone listening on headphones and missing the bass. A lot of people on mobile devices do... The choice of device of an end user is theirs, wouldnt be my consideration, when i mix. If i bow to shitty speakers, then a lot of music is impossible.

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@jayrope working on of course but I can use windows VSTs

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@luka Anyhow DSEQ let's you find compromise for different situations, built-in AI is not required. tbproaudio.de/products/dseq

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@luka Still wondering about "but still the loudest possible". Eventually gt a good mastring studio (if there is budget) and let them do stem mastering.

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@luka Sorry another long-existing tool for uch application could be Waves MaxxBass. Basically it adds harmonics to bass frequncies, so they get more audible on smaller speakers. If one doesn't overuse it it may even leave the original character intact.

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@jayrope thanks for all the advice, but this is not the use case for those plugins.

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@luka
@jayrope

best of luck ...

as a listener (only) i can hear that they are an audio filter of their own

you prolly have some data on this, but it seems that many/most hear a lot of audio via phone speakers

it is the sound of our times
(a (remarkably engineered) cheap commodity)

πŸ“±

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@js0000 Hey :) We had battery mono radios in the 1970s. I still love the sound of those, though admittedly they had a bit more of a resonating body coming with it. Anyhow back then it was the same as today: If i ned bettr quality i use headphone or a diffrnt system. Othehrwise i love it when it shatters smoothly.

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@jayrope

hell yes, i spent many hours listening to them (cheap 70s mono speakers)

phones a bit different ... maybe ...
very thin enclosure

software also in chain- various phone OSes may do some DSP on all audio passing through (seems aware of phone speakers, bluetooth, &c.)

i still think sound of phone speakers unique (esp compared to 70s mono)

extreme definition conveyed via limited frequency range (perhaps software trickery too) ... sterile tech proficiency

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@js0000 Sure phones do DSP, otherwise the sound would be even worse :) sterile tech proficiency nails it. Not much of a pleasant physical (as of resonant body) character there.

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@luka mixing for small speakers is frustrating if the sounds weren't meant for tiny speakers.

I do enjoy it when I get to mix tiny sounds for tiny speakers though.

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