So, it looks like that "you don't have to turn your hobbies into hustles" article is going around again (read it at ) and I didn't read the comments so maybe someone already said this or something like it, but:

It isn't some weird, unexplained social pressure that makes me and thousands of other creative people try to monetize our creativity.

It's that without money we cannot survive crapitalism.


If anything, as a musician I am under near-constant pressure to work for free, even when I already do a huge amount of unpaid, voluntary work, and even though I earn so little that I don't bother claiming e.g. tax exemptions (because my earnings are well below the tax threshhold).

· SubwayTooter · 2 · 2 · 1

New rule:

You don't get to say "oh, you could sell that on Etsy/set up a Patreon/write an e-book and sell it/etc" unless you promise to buy stuff from the person you are saying it to, at a price that pays them a living wage for their time *after* material and admin costs.

I'd say "I don't make the rules" but I totally just made a rule, there, so.

@artsyhonker the flip side of this: changing professions as a result, but still being a musician in ways that aren't like "cool, but just let it be your hobby". like that's not even remotely workable

@poiseunderchaos Yup.

For me the choice is between "monetising" my "hobby" or trying to do office work for 3 or 4 years and doing untold damage to my physical and mental health.

One of these is slightly more sustainable than the other.

@artsyhonker also, it's hard to talk about all of this as a need, because then people want to armchair medicalize things. including incorrectly.

@artsyhonker the "maybe you should consider that as a non-musician, you have no idea what you're talking about" list of things is definitely long

@artsyhonker as a techie I already have the situation where the things I do at work are also the same as or very similar to my hobbies, and I am fairly well paid and have flexible hours at work and remote working - but that only has the end result that as I get older I am often way too tired to bother with "fun stuff" after I've finished "day job" things.. I'd like to get back into broadcast engineering and production again, but this doesn't pay enough (if anything) to cover survival costs..

@vfrmedia Would a part-time dayjob give you more time? or can your flexible hours turn into a four-day week so you can have a day for hobbies?

@artsyhonker I'm looking into this; but the nature of my work (tech in healthcare) means I can get a work related call at virtually any random time and the availability of telecoms and specialist alarms systems does (as you might expect) impact on patients' safety.

Also I passed my driving test last month and bought a car, so any lifestyle choices I make mean I have to now account for the (not inconsiderable!) costs of running it..

@artsyhonker another factor though is at my normal day job I am well treated and there isn't any hassle/drama, whereas with the community radio stations (as well as conventional broadcasters) this is not always the case!

@vfrmedia Car culture will tell you that, but you can also -- as a lifestyle choice -- decide to sell the car.

Yeah, I imagine your work doesn't come in "part time" much; and being treated well is very good and worth sticking with.

@vfrmedia Still, if you have a fair amount of flexibility, it may be worth figuring out if you can shuffle things a bit. Maybe with a long lunch break you could do a half hour or so in the middle of the day; or with a working lunch you might get home before getting too tired to do anything.

It's a very different problem to the one I was describing, though.

@artsyhonker I do have flexibility (at least for on site work) but during daytime also the constant risk of interruptions to deal with genuinely urgent problems - which makes certain kinds of creative work quite difficult. OTOH I am managing to visit the community radio studios at the evenings more regularly - which I haven't done for a while..

@artsyhonker I did manage to live 30 years without a car, but I'd have to move back to London or the South East - East Anglia is a physically large region which lacks railway services to outer areas since the Beeching cutbacks in the 1960s.

The whole of London (including the suburbs) is only about 30km radius.

Also I do admit that driving outside peak hours in a modern VW with DSG automatic transmission (which works well with a modest petrol engine) isn't completely unenjoyable..

@vfrmedia It's also mostly flat -- I cycled from London to Great Yarmouth a few years ago.

That said, there are some bits around Norwich where the only way over a body of water is a busy A-road with a terrible surface and no footpath, which was *not* fun on a bicycle.

@artsyhonker when driving I try to leave the B-roads and other places where I would prefer to ride clear for cyclists, but there are indeed too many areas (particularly in Suffolk) where everyone is made to compete for the same space..

@vfrmedia Last time I worked a dayjob, even part time and with a very understanding and accommodating line manager, it was very bad for my physical and mental health.

@vfrmedia I'm thinking about that a lot at the moment -- maybe too much -- because of nearing the end of my PhD.

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